Creating the Adventures With Eleanor Part 2

Speaker: 00:00:05

Ali Perry-Davies: Sleep. Let it sweep you off your feet. Hi, you're listening to find your joy. If you're looking for ways to thrive rather than survive in a world that can seem rather chaotic, you're in the right place. We will be sharing stories of our own as well as those from guests who have found ways to bring hope, healing and freedom into places where trauma has impacted them. I'm Ali, author of the art of healing trauma, and I'm here to remind you that life is sweet. Now, let's dive in and find ways to create our joy. Hi, this is Ali and find your joy. And we now have a part to do both of which is with the creators of the fabulous adventures with Eleanor Char Woodman and Tanya Gillespie welcome back. Thank you Sally. It's been so long since I saw you why so so I think it rightly so we sort of went down the rabbit trail or rabbit hole or path or whatever the heck rabbits travel on the dark the darkness that rabbit pipeline being created. What

Tanya Gillespie: 00:01:30

rabbit pipeline? Train?

Tanya Gillespie: 00:01:37

Ali Perry-Davies: Is that Oh, is the bunny trail hopping down the bunny trail trail is because it's something I can't remember what it's called. But that is either a song or something. Here comes Peter Cottontail. hopping down the clan. Got it. Okay. Oh my gosh. Anyways, we went down kind of looking at the reasons that Eleanor came to be. And we I think unless you'd like to chat with it more about that more. We could get people to cry. Maybe Can

Tanya Gillespie: 00:02:14

anybody hear my nod?

Tanya Gillespie: 00:02:16

Ali Perry-Davies: I did because I can hear the little marble go do tu tu tu tu tu tu tu tu

Tanya Gillespie: 00:02:20

I can hear my neck cracking.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:02:24

Ali Perry-Davies: So So it started with Tanya wrote you a song for your birthday? Sure. And it and and from the Scripture, the pearl before swine. And that was sort of in then Pearl production. Came one pearl production. And then you thought of the little eyelashes. My granddaughter Hannah wears those eyelashes? Maybe she got them from Eleanor? Sure.

Char Woodman: 00:02:53

Maybe we should start an eyelash line.

Char Woodman: 00:02:58

Ali Perry-Davies: One for eyelashes. Oh my gosh. And then she came back right out? Yeah. With Eleanor. And so from there? Well, knowing Tanya, I'm gonna guess that within you know, so I don't know, 1717 minutes. First episode was created.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:03:24

Well, you know, what's so interesting about this for me is that. So my background is, I'm a musician and a music teacher for kids and adults, as well as a composer. So all this skills that I've kind of acquired over the years of production and editing and creating music, those were kind of natural things. For me, the editing, and creating animation is relatively new, if not totally new in the last like eight years, eight years, eight months. But you know what's great about it, because these preschoolers were, again, I'm not gonna go here, we're not going down the trail, I'm just saying that they were were like, they're used to masks, no facial expressions, and these pearls literally don't have a mouth, like unless they're talking. So they have and their feet don't move independently. For the most part. It's like, they have these little feet that move to two by two. And so it's trying to, to, for me, it's the challenge of trying to represent a motion when all you have is to low eyelashes and a little round Pearl with some Converse shoes on. Right. And so that's been, I think, in the underlying thing. It's really fascinating. That that just happened Naturally, but that's actually what we're doing. We're trying to help kids express emotion, through this thing that happened where there wasn't the ability to see it or to understand what that looked like or to, you know, so it's kind of like creativity is mirroring real life. In this episode, in all these episodes, and I, Sharon, I decided at the beginning that we would like, purposely keep it really pure and simple, like, because there's so much. There's so much people, so many people more skilled than me in animation, for sure. But that isn't the point. The point is that we do keep it simple for these little minds. We keep it purposed. And we keep it really, really narrow in terms of what we're focusing on, which is them like, so what are they going to experience? Can they can they find themselves? Can they see themselves in these episodes? Can they bring themselves in without having, like, tons of other stuff happening? I mean, it's not boring. It's fun, right? But there's not so much going on, that the storyline gets missed, right? We want these kids to be able to see themselves in these characters and kind of fall in love with them. And they're so cute. Like, all of them are so adorable.

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So cute. Right?

Tanya Gillespie: 00:06:33

So for me, it's just been so fun. And if you know me, Ali, you know, and sure, you know that I have a very childlike ability to access that kind of play that kind of fun, that kind of humor and simplicity. And that's caused me problems sometimes in my life, but for this purpose, it's, it's, I feel like I've stepped right into my calling. Which is to just be present with these little babies.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:07:10

Ali Perry-Davies: Yeah, it feels really nice, doesn't it to at whatever age that we're at, to feel like, at least for this time, I never like to put anything on myself about I've I've figured out my calling, or why I was born. Because most of us, it's an ever it's an evolutionary process. Right? For so for this moment in time, yes,

Tanya Gillespie: 00:07:36

I make that clear. moment could last only 30 seconds, because

Tanya Gillespie: 00:07:42

Ali Perry-Davies: I just that's just me, but I, what I when I when the penny drops when something kind of comes like I was reading sure your bio about, oh, I'm I'm not i My memory isn't great. But you were talking earlier, or last episode about, you know, kind of coming to this place where you started to see yourself and all of the stories when things weren't going so well. Let's just put it that way. And then from that you blossomed into and I'm thinking it might even tie into this as I realize I'm going off again. So hold me to it. Is is what you do in your business is help people to kind of come into their own. Am I simplifying that? Do I get it from?

Char Woodman: 00:08:35

That? Sounds great. I liked that. I might use that. Yeah, yeah, very, very. Yeah. And it is like an uncovering or a process. But I really hope that my hope and my, I guess my desire is to drop those seeds, no matter where they land, or no matter what happens with them, or whether that person chooses to, you know, look at that. So those seeds are, are we able to look at ourselves in a new way, with a fresh perspective through the lens of truth. And that's going to be different for everyone. And, you know, that's those conversations are full of surprises, and, and they're so unique to that person based on their character or their experiences. And so, and the other thing that I believe that I deposit quite naturally is hope and hope, hopefully not a floofy hope. Right? Like not just staying in the dream zone. But in the I hope for this, which then gives me something to anchor on to and then step into and And you know, so I've done that. So now I feel like I have I've done that authentically. And it took, Oh, quite a bit of time and effort and focus. But now, you know, when you have something, you can truly authentically give it away or offer it. And I claim, I claim nothing to this process with Tanya. But I see her moving into the thing that I just uniquely went through. And I see that happening unfolding in her life, not because of anything I'm doing, but because of you. Because of hope, and because of because we have the ability always to reframe things.

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Oh, nice.

Char Woodman: 00:10:50

renew our mind daily, right, like, Okay, wait, is that true? We just, you know, Tony, and I have the best conversations I learned so much. She's brilliant. Yeah,

Unknown: 00:11:03

I mean, reframe that thing that

Tanya Gillespie: 00:11:07

I said, Oh, shock.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:11:11

Ali Perry-Davies: That we always you're exactly sentence. Playback the tape, Johnny? I think it was, I think it was that we always have the ability to refer reframe things. Yeah.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:11:24

That I love that about you ally, too. I mean, sometimes, like you reframe something for me, just you actually reframe things for me every time we have a conversation. I feel like so that's,

Tanya Gillespie: 00:11:36

Ali Perry-Davies: maybe that's why I liked the comments so much. As a person who rediscovers and redefines myself on an almost hourly basis. I think that it's, it's, it's interesting that

Tanya Gillespie: 00:11:56

I still get you do

Tanya Gillespie: 00:12:00

Ali Perry-Davies: it, but I liked that. And I can see how figuring that out. Because sometimes we feel like, like for me, right? Like after the accident, and when I was like, you know, not do so. So after my accident, and when I was trying to, you know, figure out our walk and talk and do all these things again, right? And then, okay, I the list of things I wasn't going to be able to do again was long, and I didn't like that very much. But then figuring out, okay, what can I do? I can't do the I don't want to talk about what I can't do, what can I do? What can I do? And I think that that's I was trying to think of one of the things that I'm sure when you're talking about reframing. And like, you said something about that. It's not so much you it was Tanya, but clearly you really bring something to this whole project. Oh, my gosh, so much, right. And so I

Tanya Gillespie: 00:12:59

wouldn't be able to do it.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:13:02

Ali Perry-Davies: Yeah, I get that because we're, we're the ideas, people, and we really need somebody who can get stuff done.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:13:12

And I think well and cherish the heart behind it, like shares the heart behind, making sure that the messaging that we're handing out and giving to people is, is not only true, but just tangible, kind of right, you know, and I think the fascinating thing about walking into something new and relatively, like launching, which we've just done we've just launched it, is that you never really know how it's going to go or where it's going to go. Like, so you just kind of have to go and grow with it, which I kind of like because Eleanor's, like, we've we've, we've given it a three year kind of commitment at this point. So Eleanor is going to grow from being four to five to six years old, every year, right? And we're gonna grow to being in our first year in our second year in our third year of Eleanor, and we're gonna both we're all going to grow together in it. And the funny thing about artists and I think all creatives in general, which we all are all three of us, and probably a lot of people watching is that you'd have to be able to like, grab onto that thing in the sky or whatever it is that you call it. So it's either spiritual or it's like the universe or whatever you grab on to that thing that you can't see. But you know, you have to grab that. You have to be able to grab that and know that it's there for you to open. And then you open it like a gift and then you Walk into it. And I feel like that's what Eleanor is like, we didn't really foresee this. But we feel like it was already destined. It was already planned. And so now we're just following the roadmap to where that is. And whoever wherever that goes. It's a treasure hunt. We're going to find out as we go along, just like Eleanor, yes.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:15:20

Ali Perry-Davies: I love Eleanor the first time I saw her all the first time I saw her, I was like, Oh, my gosh, it's Tanya, that's the first thing is like, Oh, I love her. And then as she kind of goes along in your little voice suits her, and just how she's like. And I just, I think that I can see so many people, kids and adults falling in love with Eleanor, but I like what you're saying. So I don't know if I'm going to use the correct language here or not. But But it's like, Shark keeps you on brand. It does. That sort of does. Does that. Does that ring true? Or makes sense? Because that sort of

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she keeps me I'm

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sure we get? Yeah,

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let it get

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Ali Perry-Davies: in all the way.

Char Woodman: 00:16:15

I don't necessarily have to keep Tanya on brand. Because she is like growing, she is the brand. So it's just like me noticing what that is and making sure we stay with that. So so maybe she's talked about is the simplicity. It's the that we're proud of? It's the concrete messaging. It's the look, you know, so it's just making sure that we stay in that. And I think just going back a little bit to what Tanya was saying about growing with it is is very true. And very much in the sense that I think what I do to allow that to happen would be creating environments for people to grow. So do we feel safe? Do we feel and we want this to happen on our pages? You know, so but if it's not happening here, if we can't show up ourselves, if if if we can't be who we are authentically, what are we doing? Like? So I guess if I were to narrow it down, that's one thing that I know, that happens. Not with everyone for sure. With some people. There's trust, built and relationship built. And because of that, it's like fertile soil. It's like I've tilled my garden, I know that I've done that I know I've done the very hard work to have the soil to drop these beautiful seeds into and then what happens with them is up to each each of us, right? And what do we want to grow. But I care about creating safe places I care about creating places where people can be themselves and I care about places where people know that they are nurtured and that they, they they are amazing. And they they have something to offer. And we're looking forward to the engagement, you know, with these kids and and seeing and hearing how they're developing and remaining curious and remaining creative and stepping into, you know, all the awesomeness that they were created to be. So we just want to create the space for that to happen. And it has to happen with us together first.

Char Woodman: 00:18:34

Ali Perry-Davies: Right? So

Char Woodman: 00:18:35

that's what we're doing, I think, hey, Tanya,

Tanya Gillespie: 00:18:38

hey, hey.

Char Woodman: 00:18:42

And with our team back, we got Chloe, and we've got Patti, she's our wellness director, we have an after show. I don't know if you saw that or not. But we I lead just through the questions where it engages their critical thinking, What was she thinking? How do I feel? Have I ever tried something new? What do I want to try next? You know, our first episode is Eleanor tries new things. Why? Because we're trying new things we go first, you know, we know that as leaders and as parents and stuff, we do it first. And so we hope to lead Well, in that way that that we go before we've learned our lesson. Now we get to impart an impact, right?

Tanya Gillespie: 00:19:23

I guess when they're when people are investing in it, like when parents are investing in it, I feel like they're investing in something that's like really purposed. Right it's it's it's it's in a container that safe. Whereas if you kind of like I'm not criticizing, don't don't don't hear what I'm not saying. But when you kind of travel on to YouTube or travel, and these places, you can end up anywhere because it's not necessarily in a container. So your kid can go on and then they can go somewhere else and they and they can end up somewhere that they don't. They don't necessarily need to be, right. Whereas a subscription based platform is within a container that safe. So they go, they, they experience it, they can go back to it. And then each week, they're sent a little treasure in their inbox that says it's time for your next thing. And, and then there's something in there for parents to write. So that's the whole reason why we chose a subscription base, rather than just like throwing it out on YouTube or something like that. So there is a bit of a cost, but it's not it's definitely it's definitely not over the top. I think it's affordable for families. And so what is the cost? The cost right now is $69. With the coupon, which is Pearl 30. Until December 31, and then it will go up to $99. For the subscription for the year. For a

Unknown: 00:21:00

year. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah,

Tanya Gillespie: 00:21:05

I think it's doable, right? It's doable for people. Yes, it's doable. And it's what a great Some people spend on Starbucks in a month, like, No,

Tanya Gillespie: 00:21:13

Ali Perry-Davies: it's true. But but but here's the thing, so I'll have to know, because this is going to, this isn't going to come out till I don't really know off the top of my head, but I'm going to say January something, but I'll make sure that to be sharing this on whatever my social media platforms are, because what a great idea for maybe grandparents to give their grumpy or, or somebody like this is a good gift idea. And it's Christmas, right? So and, or whatever else somebody shares that they might give gifts for, but, but it's just a really great time to, hey, if you don't know what to give your kids or your grandkids right now 69 or 99 bucks, and this is a year of something for them. Or, or you can purchase it for your friend who's a teacher, or whatever, so that it can start to you know, get into places that that's really affordable. That's wonderful. Yeah,

Tanya Gillespie: 00:22:17

yeah. So it's like, that's, that's what our goal is, is just to make it approachable and something that's accessible for everyone. We've also got a pay it forward option. So if you if you want to support a family that can't afford it, if you know someone, then you you can also pay it forward and then just put gifted as the recipient, and then we we will give it to that family, or you put whatever family's name you want in there.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:22:49

Ali Perry-Davies: So oh, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, so, so, so I can buy it for me? Yeah. And I can buy it for, like Rodimus Yes, for great nieces and nephews or grandbabies, or my grandkids are too old now, but, or maybe not actually know what I'm saying that they, you know, Hannah would probably love it. But, but also I can kind of sponsor? So yes, like I can, yeah, you give it in such a way that it's that you will know the people Yeah. Or someone can contact you and say, Hey, I'd love this. But for those of us who have been there where the thought of it's not the $69 a year they earn 100 bucks a year that could be necessarily hard, but to come up with $100 at one time. Yes. Yeah. Ah, you know, I've been there where in my life, that that might have been a challenge.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:23:47

Sometimes $10 Feels like $100 and I'm almost there every month.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:23:53

Ali Perry-Davies: It's good is true. Like I you know, I come to being a musician. That's you, right? It's like I have been there in those times in my life. So I like that. Someone can sponsor that. Okay, I'm going to, I'm going to I'm going to do that when we're finished here. If I don't, please do remind me because we know I bumped my head and I have a bit of a memory issue. Like I don't even remember what we talked about five minutes ago. That's why I repeat myself a lot. And so I just always tell people it's also why we start talking about something and I shoot off somewhere else and say I'm gonna come back to it and I often don't, but you know, as as me. You love you. Love you right back. Okay, so we can give this as a gift we can. So Eleanor is really affordable. And there's, there's Oh, the what I like about this is there's a lot of intention to this. That's why my latest word 10 years ago when other people were starting to use it, I found it offensive a little bit. You know? Oh, I had I had well, it was probably 20 years ago, actually now, a person who will remain nameless, had said to me, we weren't going to do something. And this person said to me, that's really great. But what will be the purpose of this thing, and this was just a person that was my friend, and we hung out a lot. And I said, one, because I didn't know what they're talking about. And this person said to me, Well, I've been just really making sure that any of my meetings have intention now. And I get it, they have a new word, and they're really excited to use it. But we often I didn't ever want to get together with them. Again, I'm not even sure if I have, I'll have to really look into that. If I'm holding a grudge, I did just bring it up. But now lately, in my word, quite a bit that I've been because I'm a little bit slow to these things. I'm, I always say I've got a lot of stories, I don't always look good in my stories. But But intention is, is is a good thing. Apparently attention isn't is not an insult, nor is it, whatever it is, and you're talking about purpose. And I'm thinking, I love that there is the intention to have specific things outlined, to have people go over things. I love that, that you have this team of four, who are looking at everything that you do. Because then it can be Hey, did you think about this, or oh, this could be taken like this? Or

Tanya Gillespie: 00:26:38

there's a lot of that, right? There is a lot of that, that

Tanya Gillespie: 00:26:41

Ali Perry-Davies: can happen? And if

Unknown: 00:26:45

Oh,

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Ali Perry-Davies: oh, words can be hard. Why? Hard? Were so hard. Why I'm taking this, I'm taking this course right now. Integrated somatic trauma therapy. And one of the things that we're learning is intent doesn't matter. Impact matters.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:27:11

Yes. And

Tanya Gillespie: 00:27:12

Ali Perry-Davies: so and so I, I liked that. Right? Gee, you know, how many times have you either said, or had someone say to you, Hey, that's not what I intended, but it wasn't the impact. So when you have a team of four brilliant minds, that are getting together and looking over things, the impact is going to be what was intended, much more like,

Tanya Gillespie: 00:27:36

we hope so. I mean, there's always there's always a chance for error. But I think that in the end of the day, our our messaging is if there is error, let's conversate let's figure it out. Let's journey together so that we're we're not just cancelling each other out. We're not not addressing things because we're afraid to address them. We don't we don't shy away and Eleanor from kind of hard topics we do. We do them in a way that's palatable. And age appropriate. And just you know, but we got to talk about stuff, right?

Char Woodman: 00:28:16

Yeah, willing to use some of our like, say, like, I'm just thinking of something specific. And I'm the episodes done. So the script is written. And it was a piece that I I said and where it's the mom says, Don't forget to wear your how your Chalmette not your helmet, don't wear your helmet. And then afterwards, I'm like, Oh, we did a double negative don't forget, how about remember to wear? Or what are you going to put on your head like that could have been done differently for the child to think, oh, yeah, what do I have to do to do this safely? But you know what, then we talk about it. We're like, we'll talk about it that month. In Episode One, it's being released now so we can revisit it and go, Oh, you know, but as parents, we're not going to get it perfect all the time. As a scriptwriter. We're not going to get it perfect all the time. And actually, the parents aren't perfect in this we don't we don't lead people astray with it but it's just like they're not we're just people we're humans learning growing doing and we'll even see development in the parents as they go right and learnings for the parents as they go and and as we go we're going to be able to script right in a in probably new fresh ways and go okay, well, where do we want this parent? What's their learnings for this year? What where did they grow? And so we cuz I had this thing. Oh, the parents have to have all the right answers all the time. Because that's what we want to show right

Char Woodman: 00:29:43

Ali Perry-Davies: in as characters in your show. Right? I guess.

Char Woodman: 00:29:47

Yeah. We want to model the best possible parents that we can because they have the solutions. But then I'm like, what, and then we then that unpacked for us we're like, Well, no, we can't show Will that all the time? Because that's not reality. I know because I was apparent and when I look back and like, Oh, yes, rather than better there.

Char Woodman: 00:30:11

Ali Perry-Davies: And don't forget, even though it's a double negative, I guess, but it's still, it's still it works for me. But anyways, and I all I really thought about was Shellman. I was thinking to that, because there's conversations you have conversations. I forget how you said it is, but I think it's once a month or something, people, people, people, questions, people's pickles, come along, write that down, that might be important. And so what's going to be really cool? No, no, stick with me, or I'm on something. I'm on something.

Unknown: 00:30:51

I'm always with you, Ali.

Unknown: 00:30:52

Ali Perry-Davies: I'm on to something. I'm not on something. That's a whole other alley. But is, I just thought when I think of the episodes that are going to be born, because someone asks a question, because something by having that open to you, you have live ideas being poured in born into what is poured into you.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:31:23

Take a deep breath. Yes, I

Tanya Gillespie: 00:31:24

Ali Perry-Davies: know. It's so exciting. But because the questions that people ask, I know, for me, when someone having a conversation or something just happens, it's why I just always have my phone and pencils and papers and things because somebody says something, and I'm like, Oh my gosh, it might not even be what they said. But I have 17 ideas come out of that. I'm like, Oh my gosh, oh, my gosh, this is literally standing there. For me to finish, it's just because if I think I'm going to remember later about how cool that was, I'm not going to. And that's even pre brain injury. But you know what I mean? Because so many thoughts go in a day. But what's really cool is that these people come up with questions, they send them in to you. And that's written down for you already. And then as long as you just remember to write down the idea that came flying out of that little question. Oh, it's gonna be great.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:32:25

Everybody's part of writing the script. I love it.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:32:30

Ali Perry-Davies: Amazing. It's awesome, right? It's gonna be shirts off. I'm not Yeah, it's completely off because it's like, because the easy part for those of us who write the super easy part is writing and then you know, somebody tells me something right? I'm like, Oh, I just needed that one thing to think of. It couldn't be balloon, which made me think of pop which made me think of air which made me think of breathing all I'm gonna write on breathing like a balloon. Yeah, thanks for that that's what took me there. So I'm it's so great. I love it. They get to have things addressed. Because I mean, I don't know that this was ever your concept. I'm just going with what goes flying into my head. Is it somewhere down the line the things that they had concerns or thoughts or challenges or you know, at all the other words that can be those things can come to life because of those conversations. Yeah, I love Mr. Rogers moment here. We love Mr. Feels like the sweetness and the safeness. I mean I know it's not anything about Mr. Rogers but they're just remember Mr. Rogers, right? I mean, he was just he wasn't super fancy or loud or you just he just was so safe. We just felt and Eleanor has that kind of sweet simplicity with being super cute and all that stuff added you know for fun and frivolity. Word is for have already ordered.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:34:24

It is yeah, it's great word.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:34:27

Ali Perry-Davies: You're gonna have what does it mean, frivolous? I don't mean to be saying. No, it's not frivolous. It's like, when playful. Right? Right. Oh, yeah. Okay, well, it

Tanya Gillespie: 00:34:36

is now. That's what it is now. According is

Tanya Gillespie: 00:34:39

Ali Perry-Davies: forevermore forevermore. That's what it will mean. Oh my gosh. And so So tell me some of the characters because I very clearly remember Eleanor and seen some others that are telling me about justice. So part of me

Tanya Gillespie: 00:34:58

justice. Oh, yeah, so each character has their own quality that we're kind of developing. So, justice is, is very attentive. He's aware of people's feelings without them having to tell them. So he's and he's brave. That's justice. And then we've got Patti. And Patti is Eleanor's best friend. And Patty is a lover of all animals, and creatures of the world. And she's got a pet turtle named pokey. Yeah. And then we've got connu. And kinase, isn't that little indigenous boy who is the son of a chief. And he has been taught by his father, how to navigate the ocean, and how to use the land as his as his wisdom guide. So he tends to help his other friends in LNR be able to navigate those challenges too, because he's very confident in that particular area. He's very independent. So that's going to be an interesting line when he's three years old. Yes. So those are the four main characters. Oh, yeah. And then we have Baba, you can tell about Bob is Charlie. Oh,

Char Woodman: 00:36:43

well, Baba, I'll tell you a little backstory on Baba. Because I just love the meaning and that it's in every episode is we had an unfortunate loss in our family. My son lost one of his best friends. Last January, and Tanya and I on Messenger we have she put the ocean theme on. And so we would send each other a whale, you know, for for kindness and empathy. We just end our conversations with that. And so when we were going through that hard time, and still processing in the mail, I get a stuffed whale, just this big and, and that represented, you know, the empathy and the kindness through this loss. And so I think of his name is Milo, I think of moe all the time when Baba appears. So that's personal for me. But Baba represents empathy in the show, because whales are the most one of them and dolphins, right? The most empathetic mammals, creatures outside of humans. And so that's what that represents. And he's like, the grandfather of the ocean. And so he's always he's always looking out, you might even see him in the shadows, sometimes. Not very evident, but he's always sort of around. Like, like God, where he's kind of overseeing everything, right? Not like God, God's God. But representing that sort of overseeing, and, and caring for. And so he should, he's going to be showing up in pretty unique ways. I think. Along the way, he helps Eleanor in the first episode, trying something new. So he's a lot of fun. He's very grounding. Very safe.

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Yeah. Baba, Baba. Ah,

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Ali Perry-Davies: they're just, they're just all quite lovely and unique and wonderful. And so, so how far ahead do you? Have you? Do you have your whole year already done? Are you we

Tanya Gillespie: 00:38:56

have the first six months then. So we're like six months ahead. And that's my goal is to kind of always be six months ahead. Yeah, so that you're not stressing about it, we can create with some freedom. And each episode depending on how long like each episode is tailor made for the child, its attention span, so they're anywhere from like six minutes to like eight minutes at the most. And then what the after show it's, you know, 10 to 12. But each episode kind of takes about a month to make maybe a little less, just from right from the ground floor from like reading it to because I have to make all the characters and I have to like change their position and stuff like that. So depending on which scene we're doing, sometimes I have to make a whole other version of the character but for the most part, I've got them like, kind of in my back pocket now so so I don't have to make a ton of new things. I all the time, which is nice. It's just kind of adding or, and because they only have Toots and shoes. That's the only close. Yeah. Change the color. And that's it. That's

Tanya Gillespie: 00:40:09

Ali Perry-Davies: awesome.

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Oh my gosh. Ah, wow. So um,

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Ali Perry-Davies: I don't want to forget this No. Is this is this something that's going out to schools like elementary schools and daycares and things like that? Are these some of the people that you would hope to? Who? Whose?

Tanya Gillespie: 00:40:29

Aid? Yeah, I'm pointing at you. Oh, okay. Yeah. So yeah,

Char Woodman: 00:40:34

our hope, our desire, we are going to be looking at this in the new year of connecting with a preschool. So it is written for the preschool mine, so three to four and a half going into the five, depending on the child, and so preschools day homes, homeschool parents, would be a focus. Again, they might learn some other things. So they might learn we have some counting in it, there's colors, you know, there's knowledge and information that will be imparted. But it's very secondary to the, to the friendship, to the healthy, healthy relationships, humor, fun curiosity, creativity, those are our focuses. We think that, that there are many shows out there that do a very good job of the intellect and the and the knowledge building. We offer something a little different, and we hope that we're filling a gap that might be there. So yes, they will get something every week, there's, there's that weekly drop, so it could be put into a career curriculum, I think quite easily, especially if we had that conversation ahead of time of what to expect in that six months. And perhaps they could build it into quite seamlessly into their program. And yeah, so that would that would be a focus. And as well as, like you said, you know, could be something that even a grandparent could do with their child that can be their special treasured time together, or the parent or have some friends over and and do that together. Because it is meant to be engaging and interactive. It's meant for the child to watch with the adult. Because the after show offers the opportunity for more conversation and hearing from one another and, and developing on those concepts that were taught in the show. And then there's Patti who leads through she's writing original songs are talented, Tanya is composing, putting it together, bring it to life. And then there's the invitation to get up and dance together and have fun together. That's how each episode ends. Ah,

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this is spectacular. Talking. Oh my gosh,

Tanya Gillespie: 00:42:53

aren't gonna see this video. Right? Or they are.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:42:58

Ali Perry-Davies: This is this is wow, this is Oh, the audio is on all the podcast platforms and the video is out there. I'm

Tanya Gillespie: 00:43:07

fine with it. I'm fine with it. It's all Yes. Oh, goodness. You are I hope I didn't do anything weird. I probably did.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:43:13

Ali Perry-Davies: I don't know. I don't remember.

Char Woodman: 00:43:15

I hope you did. I hope you did. Tanya keeps us real.

Char Woodman: 00:43:20

Ali Perry-Davies: That's right. That's right. It's awesome. Well, thank you so much

Tanya Gillespie: 00:43:25

for Thank you for having us. Ally Valley.

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Oh my God, love

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Ali Perry-Davies: you so much. Oh, I love your feedback. Like I I'm just I'm so excited. I'm excited for all that Eleanor will be and the LEA lives that she will touch her and her pals. And thank you so much for coming in and sharing it sharing a little bit about Eleanor and how she came to be and what the purposes and and all of that. So thank you, Sharon. Thank you, Tanya, so much for coming and hanging out and

Tanya Gillespie: 00:44:04

telling us. We'll see you soon.

Tanya Gillespie: 00:44:06

Ali Perry-Davies: You sure will. This is Ali. Thanks so much for tuning in. And I'll be posting information and how to how you how you can connect with an Eleanor episode near you. So thanks very much for coming and hanging out with us. This is Ali and do remember to find your joy

Tanya Gillespie: 00:44:35

thanks so much for joining me today. If you found a piece of your joy in this episode, I would love to hear about what came up for you so that we can continue to grow the impact of this show. Thanks again. See you soon and Remember, find your joy

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